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Discussing the Pitfalls of Genealogy |
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 merope3 |
Long overdue |
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Posts: 41 (12/07/04 03:53:14) |
I nominate Dr. Brain Leverich for a long overdue "No Excuse!" nomination. If Dr. B excels in anything (besides self-promotion), its got to be stealing other people's ideas and acting like his derivative versions are the best thing since sliced bread. Linkpendium is just another in a string of ideas others had first, and as usual it comes complete with fantastical promises of great things to come. Been there, done that. Got an Ancestry.con t-shirt.
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Unregistered(d) |
Long overdue | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/07/04 10:16:44) |
sounds good to me
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The Traffic is Still Here ... | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/14/04 19:11:36) |
I am deeply honored, but greatly disappointed that more people haven't joined in supporting this nomination.
Perhaps my Warholian 15 minutes have come and gone, and people just don't know who I am any more. *sigh* BTW, my dear friend from bloated.com misused the word "its". One might wish that even those who did not graduate from Harvard with departmental honors could demonstrate a basic understanding of how to use the language.  And, while I'm being an evil self-promoter, Linkpendium is the definitive directory to genealogical resources on the Internet: www.linkpendium.com/ |
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The Traffic Is Still Here | ||
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Posts: 148 (12/14/04 19:37:33) |
"Perhaps my Warholian 15 minutes have come and gone, and people just don't know who I am any more."
. . . or maybe we just don't care -- has beens are boring and it's extremely tacky to try to advertise yourself on this site by trying to generate negative comments. Don't flatter yourself. Your linkpendium is nothing but old links you've collected from other sites and you must be desperate for publicity to try such an obvious self promotion on gensuck. |
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re: people in the know | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/14/04 20:03:02) |
Dr. Brian Leverich worries that "...people just don't know who I am any more."
Not so, Evil Doctor. We most certainly DO know who you are ... oh yes, we most certainly do. |
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Oh - and another thing | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/15/04 00:26:14) |
Hmmm .... I wonder why it is that the genealogically-related pages of GenSuck don't appear anywhere in the bowels of Linkpendium?
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And another thing | ||
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Posts: 148 (12/15/04 06:20:48) |
Posting here is just a cheap way for him to get some poor unsuspecting sap to look at his site so he gets more numbers on his counter. Go to www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/usa.html and you will see who had what he's got first, but then it doesn't take a Harvard graduate to figure out what's happening here . . . just takes one to think everyone else is a fool.
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Oh - and another thing | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/15/04 13:47:34) |
"Hmmm .... I wonder why it is that the genealogically-related pages of GenSuck don't appear anywhere in the bowels of Linkpendium?"
Er -- that's kinda a no-brainer. Right now, www.linkpendium.com/ only indexes American localities and surnames world-wide. GenSuck aint an American locality and it's not a surname, so we haven't indexed it yet. We're planning on adding further categories in the future. GenSuck, the Daily Board Show, and everything else genealogical will eventually be categorized and added to the site. Resistance is futile -- prepare to be indexed.
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And another thing | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/15/04 13:58:17) |
"Posting here is just a cheap way for him to get some poor unsuspecting sap to look at his site so he gets more numbers on his counter. Go to www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/usa.html and you will see who had what he's got first, but then it doesn't take a Harvard graduate to figure out what's happening here . . . just takes one to think everyone else is a fool."
Er -- the ROOTS-L State Pages *is* us. Karen Isaacson, the author of the ROOTS-L State Pages, is my wife. This is like saying we had what we've got first. Only it's wrong. The ROOTS-L State Pages are a trivial fraction of the size of the www.linkpendium.com/ collection. And by and large, ROOTS-L isn't even a subset of the Linkpendium collection, because Linkpendium is focused on county-level resources while the ROOTS-L State Pages focus more on state-level resources. I expect, eventually, most of the links indexed in the ROOTS-L state pages will also appear on Linkpendium, as we add more state-level resources to Linkpendium.
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language for the masses | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/15/04 15:04:45) |
Quote: One might think that those who did graduate from Harvard with departmental honors would demonstrate a more proper use of the English language .... but then, I remembered that our poor Dr. lives in the impoverished hills of Frazier Park. |
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and another thing | ||
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Posts: 148 (12/15/04 20:31:48) |
1)"Er -- the ROOTS-L State Pages *is* us. Karen Isaacson, the author of the ROOTS-L State Pages, is my wife. This is like saying we had what we've got first."
2)"The ROOTS-L State Pages are a trivial fraction of the size of the www.linkpendium.com/ collection. And by and large, ROOTS-L isn't even a subset of the Linkpendium collection, because Linkpendium is focused on county-level resources while the ROOTS-L State Pages focus more on state-level resources." 1) it isn't yours anymore -- it belongs to ANCESTRY -- and we're all well aware how Rootweb evolved. You made it, you sold it, and now you're looking for something else to put your name on. 2) click on the state names on the Rootsweb state pages and you will find links to pages with the county data known as "Genealogical Resources on the Internet" -- not done by your wife -- but virtually the same content as Linkpendium county pages -- and it was done years ago. Compiling links from other pages is no crime -- just redundant. Duh! Ho-hum. Linkpendium is old news. Maybe your great big site with stale old links will be a convenience to some. But since most of us have already seen what you have in other places, you'd better hope internet genealogy research isn't a waning fad, because the die hards have already established a favorites list that covers your links (at least mine does), and if I used your site out of convenience I'd feel like I was helping sell out whatever (or whoever) is going to be sold out next. Rootsweb was enough for me. Maybe you can hope for some newbies to be impressed with Linkpendium. |
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Haaaavahd |
Ho Hum | ||
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Posts: 7 (12/19/04 17:49:07) |
Genealogy on-line is just not what it use to be, I know, I have been a central figure since 1995. The promise just never delivered, except perhaps to the pocketbooks of "Mr" Leverich, Ancestry and a few other on the inner circle.
Truthfully, the never listing page is just an advertising venue since ad dollars are back. But it will eventually be sold like real estate anyway. So who cares. There are much better directories out there anyway. But to shameless self-promoters (and ranting air bags) who walk over the backs of well-intentioned others, that doesn't really matter now does it. As quoted true experts in the field have noted, "real" genealogy doesn't happen on the Internet anyway. I guess that explains why we have another useless site to avoid, right? At least it is not a book being promoted but maybe one about the site is coming  |
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re: true relics | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/19/04 21:43:34) |
Quote: And those "experts" are blue-haired old ladies and bald-headed old men who got of the bus long before the 21st century. Researching with scanned images of actual documents, books, etc. provided via the internet IS real genealogy. |
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True Relics???? | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/20/04 08:03:07) |
Well, lessee, I ain't a blue haired old lady, and I still have my hair. Still I have to agree that true research doesn't happen on the net for the same reason that it doesn't happen at the LDS.
True: The Internet and the LDS have plenty. But they don't have it all and it's unrealistic to think that either ever will. Therefore, true library research is the only way to go. You may have to hop all over the place to find everything that you need, but you still can do it. Now then, what happens if you go out on the Internet or into the LDS library and the nooks or documents that you need aren't available? I hope you can twiddle your thumbs for a long time, because that is what you will be doing if you are putting the Internet first and the libraries last. |
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true genealogy??? just what is the definition of that? | ||
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Posts: 148 (12/20/04 18:21:59) |
"true research doesn't happen on the net for the same reason that it doesn't happen at the LDS"
Who said that you could find everthing either online or at the LDS? For that matter, libraries are limited in what they have in the way of primary evidence. There are numerous sites online that have scanned images of primary documents. LDS also has films and fiche of primary documents. A good genealogist uses all avenues available to him/her. That includes libraries, courthouses, county clerk offices, archives, LDS Family History centers , various other depositories and yes....even the internet. I don't believe anyone said that any one place has it all. |
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re: true libraries | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/20/04 19:45:28) |
You're telling me that libraries - in general - most of them - have original birth, marriage, death, land and probate records?
Cripes! I've done a lot of unnecessary research at courthouses and county archival repositories all these years..... |
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Posts: 0 (12/21/04 06:49:28) |
We finally visited the websites in question and you are right.
He has the same thing as others have. 
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Haaaavahd | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/21/04 07:46:32) |
You've been a "central figure" in on-line genealogy since 1995, yet you quote true experts that say "real genealogy doesn't happen on the internet, anyway." So you're a central figure in something experts you value enough to quote say isn't real? What's the point of perpetuating something (no matter how well intentioned -- we all know where the road paved by the well intentioned goes) that you think has no real value? Why waste your time? We ranting air bags would like to know.
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True Relics.... | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/21/04 07:47:37) |
You people are so literal. How on earth do you ever find your ancestors?
Now then, somewhere on these boards, I have stated something along the lines that the Internet is simply one tool in the toolbox. Use them all. And yes, the libraries do have it all. All you need to do is know how to use them. Also, open up your definition of "libraries." You are be way too restrictive with it. As for wasted searches, I don't see them that way. I see it as one less thing on my to-do list. Enter it into your notes that you went here and looked for this and came away with nothing. Doing this, no matter where you go or what what you find or don't find, you get yourself a little victory, which we all know are few and far between in true research. |
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re: definitions | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/21/04 08:33:44) |
Ah! Now I see - "internet" is just another kind of "library".
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Another library | ||
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Posts: 0 (12/21/04 08:54:13) |
You mean I cannot take my ancestry back to Adam and Eve in one sitting?
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